Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg joined the Joe Rogan Experience podcast today for a wide-ranging interview about content moderation, the Trump administration, and Apple’s apparent lack of innovation.
Mark Zuckerberg joins Joe Rogan
Zuckerberg has long been an outspoken critic of App Store policies and Apple’s privacy practices. In this interview with Rogan, Mehta claimed that the 15-30% fees Apple charges for the App Store are a way for the company to hide poor iPhone sales. According to Zuckerberg, Apple hasn’t “invented anything really great in a while” and is just “sitting” on the iPhone.
“[Apple]has taken advantage of[the iPhone]and introduced a lot of rules that I think are arbitrary. I feel like they haven’t invented anything great in a while. Steve It’s like Jobs invented the iPhone and it’s still sitting there 20 years later.
In fact, we don’t even know if we’re selling more iPhones at this point year-over-year. I think sales are actually going down. Part of the reason is that each generation hasn’t actually gotten that much better. As a result, upgrades are taking longer than before.
Therefore, I think sales numbers are generally flat or decreasing. So how do they make more money as a company?
Well, they’re doing it in a way that basically milks people and imposes this 30 percent tax on developers. ”
Zuckerberg also took issue with AirPods and the fact that Apple didn’t give Meta the same access to the iPhone for its Meta Ray-Ban glasses.
“They’re making things like AirPods, which are cool, but they just completely hinder other people’s ability to make something that connects to an iPhone in the same way.
There were many other companies that could have made very good earphones, but Apple basically built a specific protocol into the iPhone that allowed AirPods to connect to the iPhone.
They have it enabled, so it’s much more seamless, but they can’t force others to use that protocol. If so, there are probably far better competitors than AirPods.
And every time you push this, they get very nervous and basically wrap up defenses against it, well, if we let other companies plug into ours, it’s going to protect people’s privacy. and would violate security. No, please design the protocol better.
We basically asked them about the Ray-Ban Meta glasses that we created. “Basically, can we use the protocols used by AirPods and some of the others and make it just as easy to connect?” That’s a hassle for people who want to use this. That’s not a big deal, is it?”
I think one of the protocols they built was basically unencrypted. So it’s like plain text. And they say, “We can’t let you connect because it’s not secure.”
It’s not secure because it doesn’t have security built in. And now you’re using that as a justification for why only your product can easily connect. ”
But Zuckerberg said he was “optimistic” that sooner or later “someone will beat us” because Apple “is off-strategy in terms of not releasing anything innovative.”
He went on to express concern that Apple might one day release Meta-Ray-Ban smart glasses with the key benefit of better integration with the iPhone. Bloomberg reported that Apple is developing its own smart glasses.
The conversation then turned to iMessage and Apple’s use of blue bubbles as a way to “embarrass” children.
Everything they’ve been doing with iMessage, they’re doing this whole blue bubble and green bubble thing. It’s a bit embarrassing for the children, right?
They say it’s not cool if you don’t have a blue bubble, it’s like a crowd, and they wrap it up like security all the time.
Logan and Zuckerberg then detoured into a corner where they awkwardly Googled whether RCS was encrypted for iPhone users. Of course, Apple added support for RCS as part of iOS 18 last year.
The answer is, no. The RCS Universal Profile, a standard currently published by the GSM Association, does not support encryption. Apple said it is working with GMSA to improve the security and encryption of RCS messages, rather than building its own end-to-end encryption for RCS.
And finally, Vision Pro:
“They shipped a product for $3,500, which I think is worse than anything we shipped for $300 or $400. So it obviously didn’t work out.
They are a great technology company. I think the second and third versions are probably better than the first. I think the Vision Pro is one of the bigger changes in doing new things that they’ve tried in a while. ”
9to5Mac’s opinion
Zuckerberg has been busy this week introducing new guidelines for inhuman content on Facebook, Instagram and Threads. I’m amazed he was able to find time in his schedule to sit down with Logan for this 3 hour interview.
We must also remember that Meta never “invented anything great.” Oculus was acquired, WhatsApp was acquired, Instagram was acquired. These acquisitions include a mix of features copied and pasted from other platforms.
As for Apple Vision Pro, to mimic Apple’s innovative spatial computing design paradigm, Meta launched the copier at the launch of Vision Pro. The company also rolled out upgraded hand tracking and gestures, spatial video support, and more. Even if Zuck thinks the Quest is a better product, the influence of Apple Vision Pro is clear.
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